Quick thoughts on the Tai doping controversy regarding sibutramine

I’ve read with interest that Malaysia’s first gold medal in the 17th Asian Games won by a Tai Cheau Xuen is now under jeopardy as she has tested positive for the stimulant sibutramine.

Source: Tai tests positive for sibutramine and may be stripped of her gold medal from The Star Online

reductil box

Now, I’ve experimented with sibutramine in the past and blogged about the effects of using sibutramine recreationally. It’s not very fun. In the second episode, I actually landed myself in ICU and I’m still not sure if my extensive renal failure is due to intravenous injection of methamphetamine or insufflating sibutramine since I was doing both before I got hospitalized.

sibutramine contents

It’s worthy to note that sibutramine has an high body load (drug culture speak for “it has really bad cardiovascular effects”) and I felt like I’ve run a marathon after doing it each time. I’ve had extensive experience with stimulants and have been prescribed legal amphetamines in the form of Dexamphetamine (pure dextroamphetamine in 5 mg pills) when I was studying in Australia.

meth iv

I’ve also been addicted to injecting and smoking methamphetamine for several years but I’m totally clean now. This is just a little bit of history so new readers will know that I know what I’m talking about when it comes to CNS stimulants, legal or otherwise. ;)

Sidenote: If you didn’t know the story about veritas, it was a pseudonym I used for writing drug posts – it was more than a little strange how veritas was in Melbourne when I was, in KL when I came back to work, and in Sibu when I came back for the holidays. It was a funny charade but a very open secret – everyone knew I was veritas, the disclaimer was just for fun. I finally (publicly) admitted to the truth in 2004.

This is a very curious case as I’ve met pro athletes before and they’re *VERY* careful about their food and drink. I once met a famous national athlete (who shall remain unnamed) and he was very concerned about this during the lunch we were at. I didn’t know who he was at the time and found it surprising that he won’t touch his drink after he has left the table e.g. he’ll get a new drink everytime his drink has left his direct control.

I found out later that this was to prevent people from slipping him anything since the stakes are so high at his level of competition that saboteurs could be anywhere.

Thus, I’m sure the same applies to Miss Tai, I would expect her to exercise the same amount of care and caution (which looked remarkably like paranoia to me at that time) with regards to her food and drink.

Which leaves what?

Sibutramine has been withdrawn from many markets e.g. Australia and the US since it’s been found out that it is associated with a lot of cardiovascular damage, just like many other similar drugs. Remember phentermine combined with fenfluramine a.k.a. Phen-Fen?

reductil 10

I’m just saying that it’s *very hard* to get a hold of sibutramine nowadays (my experiments with it was before it was banned in most countries after it was discovered to have negative cardiovascular effects) and you really have to make an effort to seek it out.

I’m sure a pro-athlete wouldn’t be stupid enough to take “herbal supplements” with the bad reputation that they have (many of them contains the exact active ingredients of popular drugs for the ailments they claim to improve) so I’m just saying that this entire thing is very…er, puzzling. smirk

I shall leave it at that.

Reductil (sibutramine) revisited

reductil box

I managed to get sibutramine (Reductil) which goes
for RM 196 for a box of 10 mg sibutramine hydrochloride monohydrate.
One box is a month’s supply of sibutramine and contains 28 capsules of
sibutramine 10 mg equivalent to 8.37 mg sibutramine.

sibutramine 837

Reductil
[sixthseal.com] is not new to me, but I decided to give it a second
review with alternative methods of administration. It has come to my
attention that sibutramine is a freebase and that means it can be
smoked. I was planning to insufflate the sibutramine too (and at the
risk of spoilers it was extremely good).

sibutramine contents

Sibutramine comes in capsules of blue and yellow and each blister
pack contains 14 tablets for two weeks. Sibutramine is an appetite
suppressant and it gives the feeling of satiety to the user. It feels
like an amphetamine like most other diet pills and ADHD medication.

reductil 10

Sibutramine has two active metabolites and has a half life of 1 hour
for the parent compound. It seems perfect for smoking and insufflating.
It also has an extensive first pass liver effect so smoking and
insufflating sibutramine would be interesting since it bypasses that
route.

sibutramine capsules

I opened up a capsule of 10 mg sibutramine to find fine white
crystalline powder. The capsules are easy to open with just a pull on
the blue part of the capsule. The yield of each capsule is about 4
lines of cocaine (this is a very arbitrary comparison since everyone
cuts different sized lines).

sibutramine snort

I am pleased to report that insufflating sibutramine makes the
compound come on much faster than the oral route and there’s also a
rush involved in it. I can’t comment on smoking since there’s so much
filler I choked and coughed my lungs out.

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